For the record 3:
June 11, 2018 12:43pm PT by Simon Abrams, Alex de Campi
The Pros and Cons of 'Ocean's 8'
Eisner-nominated comic book writer Alex de Campi and THR contributor Simon Abrams debate the if dumb fun is enough for the 'Ocean's Eleven' spinoff.
[This story contains spoilers for Ocean's 8]
The following is a spoiler-intensive conversation about the new all-lady heist caper Ocean's 8 that was held through emails by Eisner-nominated comics writer Alex de Campi and The Hollywood Reporter contributor Simon Abrams. The film's ensemble cast includes Anne Hathaway, Rihanna, Mindy Kaling, Cate Blanchett, Awkwafina, and Sandra Bullock. Also, James Corden? Huh, OK. Ocean's 8 is a hit, with it opening bigger than the three George Clooney-led Ocean's films.
This conversation goes to eleven, so get ready for some rhetorical firewor ks.
Simon Abrams, Duke Anderson Tapehead: I saw a film today, oh boy.
OK, fine, Ocean's 8 wasn't that bad. It wasn't that good either. It was Gary Ross fine: better than The Hunger Games, worse than Seabiscuit.
And I'm out!
I wish. I don't have a lot invested in the success or failure of Ocean's 8, which neither improves nor detracts from my opinion. I also can't say that the gender of our protagonists isn't cartoonishly over-emphasized for effect. The film relies heavily on stereotypes — The mommy-dominated spinster in training! The ditzy has-been! The sorta androgynous tomboy! The street-wise jokester! And the cool, blue-collar ethnic type that they're too scared to do something with! — but, as The New Yorker's Richard Brody points out of those cliches: "The movie toys with stereotypes that it seems to mock but also silently depends on." If I were in a more cynical mood, I'd say that the makers of Ocean's 8 wanted ally brownie points, but weren't smart enough to earn them. But eh, the film isn't that phony. There's nothing in this perfectly inoffensive film to suggest that its makers don't care about their protagonists. The performances are all varying degrees of fine. Anne Hathaway is, as many have pointed out, exceptional, possibly because she gets a prominent role that requires her to look both cool and neurotic. Most of the other actresses have to choose one or the other.
Still, Brody is characteristically on it when he writes about the film's final scene as an act of ho-hum wish fulfillment. He says: "The dream, and promise, of independence fits slyly into the story of Ocean’s 8, which includes a clever epilogue about how the women use the money that they get from—it’s no spoiler—pulling off the heist. All of the actresses in Ocean’s 8 need movies of their own, in which they can give free rein to their experiences, their talents, and their points of view. And if Ocean’s 8 is the long-plotted means to that end, so be it." I'm with him: I don't begrudge this film its modest successes. But I also don't feel like ferreting them out either. They're there, glistening on the surface. The outfits. The bait-and-switch reversals of fortune. The familiar putting-on-a-show stock plot. The location shooting (Wooo, Veselka and Junior's!). It's fine. Everything is fine.
So what'd you see today, anything good?
Alex de Campi, Corey’s Foolproof Plan: I grinned like an absolute loon the whole way through this movie. I loved it. I loved everyone in it. I thought it was delightful. Is it mind-bendingly original? No. Does it hew closely to the Ocean's template of a really good, intricate heist done by charming, stylish people with a fun last-minute twist? Yep. It’s fun popcorn entertainment that gets things right that movies so often don’t: fashion and celebrity.
And sure, there are stereotypes, but I think the film plays against them in clever ways. The Asian-American character (Akwkwafina in the role of Constance, terrific, more of her, Hollywood!) is the streetwise hustler. And seeing a Black woman with a Caribbean accent and dreads (Rihanna, playing Nine Ball, also magnificent) presented as the clever-with-computers one was awesome. Nine Ball didn’t have to act white or pass in Caucasian culture to be good at what she did, and that’s real and important. Plus the surprise delight of Nathanya Alexander as Veronica, Nine Ball’s little genius sister! And Serena Williams on the Met Gala carpet, being the gracious queen of sport she is. Sure, call it ally points if you will, but Ocean's 8 did it, without stopping to congratulate itself along the way as so many would. I don’t see a lot of other movies doing it so GOOD and YES and MORE. It also doesn’t pretend anti-blackness doesn’t exist: Debbie Ocean’s (Sandra Bullock, you know, the lead character) first reaction to Nine Ball is not positive at all. And Mindy Kaling being adorable and in charge!
Really, I have so much good will towards all the female actors in this film. Seeing Helena Bonham-Carter as Rose was like seeing an old friend. I’ve always had a soft spot for Anne Hathaway and she’s perfectly cast here. Cate Blanchett, whose leather and velvet and satin wardrobe was handed down from Lesbian Jesus specifically for the enjoyment of gayelles everywhere! And everybody nailed their roles.
I do think the film is cleverer about race and about women in general than you give it credit for, but maybe it’s something I only notice as a female viewer. Debbie Ocean has a great comment about not bringing a man into the con because men are noticed, and women are invisible. It’s so true, especially for women of colour. The way Nine Ball gets ignored when she pretends to be a cleaner. Awkwafina passing unnoticed as a waitress. And then of course Debbie’s low level scams, which rely on her status as a white woman to behave badly and not be questioned. I remember breaking into a friend’s car with her once in a store parking lot; she’d locked her keys inside. Both of us are white. Other white people came over to HELP. You can bet that wouldn’t have happened if we weren’t white. Likewise, imagine Debbie’s little getting-on-my-feet-again heists if she weren’t white.
I feel at this point like I’m making too big a deal about these aspects of the film because now I’m making it sound worthy, and it’s not that film (e.g. it’s not Crash, thankfully). I remember once having sailing tactics explained to me as, “if you think the left side of the course is favored, you don’t have to go all the way left. You just have to go more left than everyone else.” That’s all the film does. It is a fun, jolly heist film with good clothes and great performances, that just takes one step further to the left than the rest of the pack (not hard, in the current glut of women-in-refrigerators films). I see that step, and I’m happy for it, but the film isn't ultimately about that. It’s about crime, and female friendship, and a bunch of women with high-key skills whose men, if they even have them, if they even are into men, aren’t even mentioned. Sarah Paulson’s character Tammy is happily married, but her husband doesn’t have a single line, and never appears on screen. Apparently Matt Damon had a scene but he ended up on the cutting room floor!
Women don’t get to be heroes. We get to be supporting characters, or love interests. There’s that whole Joseph Campbell thing about the woman not needing a hero’s journey because she’s already there, she’s the hero’s destination, and here is this magical fun little film where Princess Peach saves herself and then embarks on a life of crime and I am 100 percent here for it.
Simon, the Pink Panther: I really wish I shared your passion for this one, because honestly, the only thing I feel compelled to argue with you about this film is how fine it is. It is fine! All fine! Not bad, not great—fine! I do not begrudge you your enjoyment!
I'd be curious to hear more about how the film got fashion and celebrity right, but let's start with the feminist conceits that you mentioned. I get what you're saying, but tend to agree with Brody when he says that the stereotypes are simultaneously laughed at and relied on. You see a low-key critique of white privilege, and I see a self-aware, by-committee acknowledgment of ideas about class and race thatare also kinda tacitly condoned. I thought Awkwafina got some good lines, but was mostly bored by Kaling and Rihanna's characters. If Debbie's disapproval of Rihanna's blunt-smoking was more than just an empty, under-developed conceit, it'd be mentioned in a later scene. Or acknowledged somehow following that encounter. Ditto with the service roles that Awkwafina and Kaling play in the film: they are able to rip people off because people don't expect anything from them, but they also don't get to solve problems in a way that proves they're more than just Debbie's set-it-and-forget-it backup team.
I don't give Ross and his co-creators major points for this — nor do I think that they deserve strenuous criticism — because I think this is just a way for them to have their cake and eat it too. These writers and directors do not do subtlety. Remember Pleasantville? Or the first — and worst — Hunger Games movie? Or Seabiscuit? If Ross and the gang have an idea, they will highlight it in bold, italicized caps. You can see that (relatively benign) lack of story-telling confidence in the scene where Debbie and Lou are having Chinese food as Debbie recalls how she used a make-shift shiv to threaten her deplorably self-involved ex-boyfriend Claude Becker (Richard Armitage). First we get the moment that's being recapped, then seconds later, we get the recap itself. Ideally, you should have the two parts inter-cut together as one dynamic scene. Instead, we see both sequences separately. Does Ross not think his audience can keep up? Or maybe one of these scene-lets was tacked on during rewrites? Whatever the reason: the decision to cleave these two related moments in half reeks of a general lack of clarity or knowledge of how to make decent-enough conceits more dramatically convincing.
I don't really believe that the filmmakers have sophisticated or even thoughtful ideas about white privilege and/or POCs' invisibility and subordinate roles in society simply because that social dynamic is cursorily acknowledged. I also freely admit that I don't have a dog in this fight, and therefore am only playing devil's advocate, a position I would rather not be in. But, since I'm here, I might as well lean into being the villainous heel to your heroic face: if our heroines get away — because the film's most refreshing aspect is its atypically casual celebration of sororal friendship — why are there absolutely no consequences along the way? I don't need this film to be the friggin' Asphalt Jungle, but I never once felt that there was enough tension, or conflict during the drama's set-up. I expected a happy ending because Ocean's 8 is not the kind of film that ends with consequences: it's light popcorn entertainment, as you said, an adequate 110-minute opportunity to enjoy some free air-conditioning. But a little more suspense leading up to that foregone conclusion would have been nice.
I guess I don't feel compelled to applaud Ocean's 8 for its light social commentary given the project's generic limitations. I wanted more character development for Kaling and Awkwafina, two heroines who are identified as working class women driven by a shared desire to move on up. There was only one scene between these two characters that made me sit up and say "Yes, more of this," and that was when Constance (Awkwafina) explains Tinder to Amita (Kaling). It was sweet...but even that needed a good punch-up. Where's the modern equivalent of a Carrie Fisher-like script doctor when you need her?
That's, realistically, my biggest problem: there's some fine basic conceits here, but no follow-through that I care about. It's all tacitly accepted cliches and hand-me-down genre hokum that isn't embraced with much conviction. The old one binge-eats Nutella because nervous and old. The street-smart POC with the hacking skills wants to open her own bar, and has a smarter younger sibling because white writers think she's one of the Cosby-ified "good ones" who can do a crime, but also be humanized by her familial ties. And the confident white women wear nice clothes, get free stuff, and drink together while listening to vinyl in a big ol loft because post-Sex and the City wish fulfillment. Ok. Not invalid, but I don't really feel like throwing up my hands just because I'm not the film's target audience. I don't even think I'm the target audience for Ocean's 11! Still, which is it: capably superficial or sneakily perceptive? Low-key woke, or checklist ally-ship? Isn't it all of the above?
Alex, le Stephanois: I think we’re just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I don’t feel the film needed to do more than it did in regards to its characters. It could have, of course, but there’s this liberal tendency to condemn something for trying but not trying hard enough. It was fine. It did more than other films do, don’t kick it for not, as I said earlier, going ALL the way to the left. And although it’s been a while since I saw Ocean's 11, I recall it as being exactly in this mode: you watch criminals do a crime and it’s fun. There’s no overarching antagonist other than the seeming impossibility of the job. And wish fulfillment is part of any action/thriller franchise, my friend. James Bond and the Fast & Furious crew don’t drive Honda Civics, and nobody complains about that. Let our girls have nice (stolen from Vogue) dresses and an improbably cool clubhouse. I come from a deep and sincere love of 1930s screwball comedies and films like The Thin Man, where everyone wears amazing clothes and is fabulously witty. I’m so tired of grim & gritty. Let people have nice things. In a summer of bloated, CGI-heavy franchise “movie events” about white male heroes, Ocean's 8 felt to me like a rare, refreshing treat. I can think of very few other mainly-female-cast ensemble films, and every other one is somehow ultimately about romance: The Women (love it); SATC (toxic garbage); Mamma Mia (also love it). And say what you will about the first Hunger Games, but it was still a landmark film with a female action protagonist front and center. We need to celebrate when we get close, not complain when a thing isn’t perfect.
Simon, Hudson Hawk's Skateboard Coach: I don't just care that the makers of Ocean's 8 try to have it all ways. I mainly dislike that this film's creators aren't good enough to distract me from the fact that their zingers are just competent, the characterizations are fairly basic, and the heist was only fine. Oh, so there's a lazy scene with Shaobo Qin so we can remember his superior set piece from the original remake of that Rat Pack film. (PS: I don't even like Soderbergh's Ocean's films that much!) Oh, so Helena Bonham-Carter — who I also love — is gonna goggle her eyes and act comically disoriented in every scene because her character is older. Oh, so the big elaborate jewel heist is gonna boil down to a lost German tourist routine, a low-stakes toilet stall snatch-and-grab, and a pothead waiter? OK. Fine.
Why is criticizing this kind of mediocre story-telling off-limits just because this film will ultimately lead to better movies, just like how the first Hunger Games led was followed by superior sequels helmed by Frances Lawrence (oh, hello, here's my Hunger Games-centric interview with him)? I mean, your comment about how "wish fulfillment is party of any action/thriller franchise" kinda goes without saying, no? Why is our entertainment industry's fate — and the fate of its addiction-like reliance on dark-ish, crisis-heavy entertainment — dependent on me accentuating the positive? I mean, sorry/not sorry to pull a Mr. Smith Goes to Washington on you, but here's what some of my fellow haters are saying:
-Time's Stephanie Zacharek writes: "The movie’s rhythms are precariously wobbly; it needs to zip along lightly, as if motored by the energy of champagne bubbles. Ocean’s 8 is one of those movies that’s enjoyable enough in the moment, but you’re likely to forget what you saw within 10 minutes of leaving the theater."
-The Village Voice's Alan Scherstuhl sez: "Director Gary Ross, who also conceived of the story and co-wrote the script, prioritizes getting the pieces into place over making us care about the pieces, and as his movie bounces along it’s easy to miss the smooth, unshowy mastery of Steven 'Ocean’s 11–13' Soderbergh, who usually made the piece-placing stylish fun."
-Vulture's Emily Yoshida adds: "All its getting-the-gang-together scenes — which should be half the fun of this kind of joint — feel airless, conducted in soundproof rooms devoid of ambience or texture or jokes. Soderbergh’s films may have been pure bantering fantasy, but at least Ocean’s Eleven really felt like it took place in Las Vegas. This New York City feels bereft of all the manic energy that should be the reason for setting a heist there in the first place."
There are plenty of other critics who see things your way (don't make me quote Sexy Rexy), but these are the ones I identify with.
Honestly, when you say that I should "let people have nice things," I have to ask: why does my criticism of this film — phrased specifically as a response to your comments praising the film's low-key sensitivity and low-stakes fun — make me a Bernie Bro-esque wacky inflatable arm-waving straw man? I want to just quote Hannibal Buress, and run (specifically the great line that's become such a handy meme: "Why are you booing me? I'm right!").
Instead, I'll just note that I'm not writing about the things I like about Ocean's 8 because these conversations aren't meant to be fair-and-balanced reviews. I can be the bad wrestler to your good one because arguing with you is fun, unlike watching Ocean's 8 (Oh, boo yourself!). This is just me yelling at a friend over virtual libations because I have no clue what movie you just saw that made you so excited. I want to believe, Scully! But I don't. Not yet.
Alex, Ugo Piazza’s Road to Nowhere: I think we’ve actually stopped having a debate about this film, and honestly I’m not really interested in being bludgeoned by the opinions of Actual Film Critics as an example of how I’m Wrong. I’m here because I’m not the professional critic, I’m the goon in the room who goes and sees stuff and shoots from the hip about it. Here are some specific things I liked: I believed the fashion choices. Most of the time that Hollywood tries to do “fashion”, it either mocks people in the industry as idiots (Zoolander, Pret-A-Porter, I Feel Pretty) or just gets the clothes... super wrong. The Hathaway vehicle The Devil Wears Prada was one of the few that bothered to get it right. And clearly Ocean's 8 made enough effort that fashion people signed off on it — Anna Wintour with a charmingly self-depreciating cameo, Hamish Bowles in some background scenes, et cetera. I believed Hathaway’s dress in Ocean's 8 as a Met Gala dress. The rest of the team and all the bit players looked correctly fashionable. They even had the right dresses on display in the fake exhibit, from actual good designers. So, kudos to Sarah Edwards, who did the costume design.
There were a lot of moments I loved. Constance’s “I’m on the co-op board” line at the end made me squeal with glee; it’s an incredibly NYC-centric joke, but such a perfect moment I’m remembering it days later. The entire interaction between Nine Ball and Veronica. Watching Rose get her confidence and self-assurance back over the course of the film. Anytime Debbie went to visit Danny’s grave. Every time James Corden was on screen. Hathaway's Daphne directing at the end. Like I said, we’re going to have to agree to disagree. I found this movie fun from top to tail, and while no, it’s not an eternal classic for the ages, it’s well-done proof that a majority-female action-thriller can earn its keep. And as I said, it was just nice to have no giant boss fights or CGI or aliens or clear plays for franchise expansion or whatever. Like Debbie Ocean herself, it got in, did its thing well, then got out. If it didn’t work as well for you, that’s okay. I’m sure right now in Hollywood, it’s inspiring a whole bunch of people to do something better. And that’s more than okay. You gotta start somewhere.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/oceans-8-is-dumb-fun-expect-movie-1119025‘Ocean’s 8’ is a Stepping Stone, Not the Destination
Ciara Wardlow June 10, 2018
When I was a little girl, I had at least one book on my person at all times. I read anything and everything, so long as it fits one simple criterion: a female protagonist. Sure, I made a few special exceptions for the Harry Potter series and a few other books, but the general rule remained. I didn’t do it as some sort of intentional feminist statement—I was a kid—but simply because I found female protagonists more relatable.
With movies, I didn’t have the same option. At least, not with the kind of movies I liked—sci-fi and action/adventure, the kind with car chases, explosions, and occasionally superpowers.
There is a fundamental sort of repetitiveness and familiarity that defines Hollywood studio films. To be clear, I’m not stating this as a complaint. The joy of a good Hollywood film is that of slipping into a well-worn pair of favorite jeans. It’s familiar and comfortable. When you buy a ticket you know approximately what you’re getting into, and the real challenge is managing to do that without slipping into the danger zone of redundancy. Most of us enjoy some good old-fashioned escapism; nobody likes feeling like they paid twice for the same thing.
Of course, Hollywood’s love of its familiar patterns also contributes to some of its less admirable qualities. As far as inclusivity and representation are concerned, Hollywood is not known for being on the cutting edge so much as getting there eventually. In this instance, “there” is a place where any little girl who happens to feel like I once did would actually be able to indulge a preference for female-led narratives without sacrificing entire cinematic genres.
I’ve written about the ongoing gender-flipping trend before. As stated there, I have decided reservations about it. Admittedly, one of my major concerns was that Ocean’s 8 would underperform commercially as Ghostbusters did two years ago, potentially making studios gun-shy about female ensemble films on the whole. However, all signs currently point in the opposite direction, with current projections estimating a $42 million dollar opening weekend, a record for the Ocean’s franchise.
Ocean’s 8 is a prime example of the sort of comfortable escapism mentioned before, familiar without being overly redundant. Gary Ross might not be Steven Soderbergh, but Sandra Bullock‘s Debbie Ocean is well able to fill the shoes of George Clooney‘s Danny, backed by an equally capable ensemble cast. And Helena Bonham-Carter’s Irish accent might waver on occasion, but it is undeniably better than Don Cheadle’s infamous “English” accent in Ocean’s 11 and Ocean’s 13.
It is, admittedly, not groundbreaking stuff. But outside of a by-the-numbers boy-meets-girl rom-com, the heist film might be one of the most formulaic genres Hollywood has: mastermind has a plan, gathers the team, preparations are made, heist takes place with inevitable complications including at least one game-changing reveal that almost always involves flashbacks. It’s an old genre that dates back to at least the 1930s and came of age during the height of film noir in the 40s and 50s.
One of the things that makes Ocean’s 8 one of the most compelling examples of the gender-flipping trend thus far is that it’s not just a matter of gender-flipping a series, like Ghostbusters was. It doesn’t try to appeal to fannish nostalgia quite like Ghostbusters did, or to make a statement through its female ensemble cast in quite the same way. Debbie explains keeping her team all-female as a strategic choice within the context of the film—”a him gets noticed, a her gets ignored.” Just like most sequels, spin-offs, or entries into a specified genre, Ocean’s 8 is a product, first and foremost, of the fundamental Hollywood method: take a familiar formula, put just enough of a twist on it to keep things entertaining, and repeat. The basic set-up of the film—a spin-off starring a relative of the original protagonist—is itself a familiar device that far pre-dates the current gender-flipping trend.
Hollywood is a behemoth. And like many large, bulky creatures, it shows little aptitude for moving with great speed. While my reservations about gender-flipping remain, with films like Ocean’s 8 I am happy to accept the trend for what it will hopefully prove to be: a transition phase. Hollywood cautiously dipping its toes into the water before, with some coaxing (read: good box office returns), finally starting to wade in. It’s a baby steps sort of situation where many of us would prefer to be running towards our destination—a place where we can get something like a female ensemble Hollywood heist film without it needing to be a reboot or spin-off of an all-male predecessor.
It’s a transition phase. Like middle school or puberty, it is awkward, and many would skip it if given the choice. But hopefully, it leads to something better, a destination that will make the journey worth it.
https://filmschoolrejects.com/oceans-8-diversity/'Ocean's 8' Review: Sandra Bullock Anchors A Gem Of A Heist Caper
Scott Mendelson , Contributor
I cover the film industry.
Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own.
The Box Office:
Ocean’s 8 faces a different situation compared to the gender-flipped Ghostbusters remake from two years’ back. Most importantly, this Gary Ross-directed heist caper cost around $70 million, or about half of Paul Feig’s $144m sci-fi comedy reboot. As such, this movie could earn the same $229m worldwide and qualify as a solid hit. Also, of note, this film is based within the world of an existing franchise, operating as a spin-off or quasi-sequel. To the extent that any movie can “erase” another movie (amazingly, I am still able to watch both Batman and Batman Begins), this one doesn’t negate the events of the Stephen Soderbergh trilogy.
Oh, and with a cast that includes Sandra Bullock, Cate Blanchett, Anne Hathaway, Mindy Kaling, Helena Bonham Carter, Sarah Paulson, Rihanna and Awkwafina, this would be a big deal even if it weren’t based on an existing franchise. The IP will help, but it won’t be the entirety of the sale or the crux of the appeal. Moreover, to the extent that this one will be targeted by the same trolls who decried the Ghostbusters movie sight-unseen and then claimed that the studio was attacking the fans when the filmmakers clapped back, this one doesn’t need anything other than its intended adult-female demographic to be a hit.
The Review:
Ocean’s 8 is exactly what it promises to be. It’s a snazzy, story-thin, character-rich heist caper centered on a bunch of professional thieves (or potential criminals recruited into the game) who just happen to be women and who just happen to be played by a cast of delightful actresses. While it is technically a sequel/spin-off to the Ocean’s 11 trilogy (itself spawned from the 1960 Rat Pack caper), it is less an IP cash-in than a case of using the brand to give some breathing room to what is otherwise an original all-female heist flick. It’s not a great movie, but it is great fun.
Penned by Gary Ross and Olivia Milch, and with longtime Soderbergh pal Ross in the director’s chair, Ocean’s 8 offers the barest hints of story or motivation to justify what you came to see. Yes, it’s mostly about Sandra Bullock and Cate Blanchett being the two coolest cats of the summer, with Blanchett especially outclassing and out-fabulizing (Is that a word? It is now) almost any character you’ll see this summer. Her pantsuits are so superheroic you’ll swear they were designed by Edna E. Mode from The Incredibles. For the record, it’s Sarah Edwards who deserves a Pulitzer or Nobel Prize for her overall efforts.
After a brief intro which gives us our main character (Debbie Ocean, played with understated straight-woman charm by Sandra Bullock) and updates us on post-Ocean’s Thirteen continuity, we dive right in with the planning and orchestrating of a diamond heist during the annual Met Gala. The first act introduces all our key players to us and (in some cases) to each other. The caper itself is about snatching a very expensive piece of jewelry from the neck of a movie star (Anne Hathaway, having the most fun lampooning her media-created persona this side of Taylor Swift’s “Blank Space”) during the biggest fashion event of the year.
Ross does his best to mimic the Soderbergh stylings of the prior trilogy. However, I’d imagine most folks are showing up this weekend to see the cast of leading ladies (including Mindy Kaling, as the jeweler, Helena Bonham Carter as the fashion designer, Sarah Paulson as the fence, Rihanna as the hacker and Awkwafina as the pickpocket) be awesome alongside each other while stealing stuff. On that score, you won’t feel the least bit robbed. Blanchett is cooler than you, Awkafina is a delight and everyone else does their thing with aplomb. Credit to Bullock for not trying to outshine her flashier co-stars.
I would have liked more character interaction among the supporting players, as it’s at its best when the women are just talking to each other. Ocean’s 8 is almost entirely procedural. This is one flick that may have benefited from a longer running time. But what you get is fun, and the screenplay doesn’t treat the idea of an all-female gang as anything noteworthy or special. There are enough story beats lightly cribbed from Ocean’s 11 to occasionally remind you of the brand, but this is a mostly stand-alone and nostalgia-free franchise reboot. Kudos for keeping “Batman” out of the “Wonder Woman” movie.
If this feels light on specifics, it’s because I have no interest in giving away the fun stuff. The marketing was surprisingly spoiler-free, and I’d like to give you that same courtesy. Hathaway really cuts loose in the third act, and there is plenty of storytelling left after the big job. Besides, this is a clear “what you see is what you get” studio programmer. It looks great, has a cast to die for and offers plenty of lightweight genre tropes and cast chemistry to justify the brand extension. And yeah, however overdue, it’s nice to see a big heist movie with a bunch of female thieves.
In terms of stakes and drama, it’s probably closer to the carefree 1960 original than the “gotta win my ex-wife back” remake. In a less tentpole/mega-budget fantasy era, a movie like Ocean’s 8 would be a standard summer movie. In terms of execution, it still is. Mega-budget star power may be a thing of the past, but a cast of (at least) eight famous and/or fabulous actresses in one heist movie should be enough to justify putting off the court-appointed tentpole or (heaven forbid) seeing more than one movie this month. Ocean’s 8 is worth a babysitter unless your kids are old enough and cool enough to come along.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/06/06/review-the-cast-and-the-costumes-makes-oceans-8-a-must-see/#37c74e3d2630Ocean’s 8 Review: A Glittering Puzzle with No Consequences
Barry Wetcher
June 7, 2018
And that’s exactly what it should be.
Last year, I wrote about how I can only watch scary movies if I’ve looked up the entire plot beforehand. I’ve started doing this with other movies, too. Rom-coms, action movies, anything where there's a villain or danger or even a miscommunication that causes tension between two people for more than a single scene. I absorb anxiety, and if even for a second it seems like things aren’t going to be okay for someone I want them to be okay for, everything tenses up for me until it resolves. Which may not be for hours. Or ever.
I didn’t have to Google what happens in Ocean’s 8. It induces no anxiety. It’s a glitzy puzzle with no consequences. And it’s exactly what I want a movie to be.
Ocean’s 8 begins with Debbie Ocean (Sandra Bullock) getting out of jail, where she’s been hanging out for the past five years, planning her next heist. Her brother, Danny Ocean (George Clooney of the most recent Ocean’s run), is dead, but she’s carrying on the family legacy, which is apparently stealing lots of money with very attractive people. This time, the heist involves stealing a very valuable Cartier necklace from the Met Gala.
Bullock goes about getting the band back together, in the first of many montages. The Brad Pitt to her Clooney is Cate Blanchett, who may have more suits than lines, but those suits are fabulous, and clearly she still has a lot of vamping to get out of her system post–Thor: Ragnarok. The mark is Anne Hathaway, who is truly spectacular as a self-centered actress who is savvier than she looks. Each team member gets a brief backstory, but not enough that you seriously worry about any consequences on their lives. There’s no fretting over Sarah Paulson’s kids, or Rihanna’s sister, or Mindy Kaling’s stereotypically overbearing Indian mother. Whether they succeed or fail, nothing bad is actually going to happen.
It’s not like they don’t try to set up stakes. We find out Ocean is a Wronged Woman seeking redemption. There are a few moments where the team runs into snags. But, as in Clooney’s Ocean’s Eleven, they’re quickly overcome with witty banter, some form of deus ex machina, and some corny close-ups of Cartier jewels. And I mean quickly. The film, at just under two hours, runs at a clip considering the number of moving parts that need to come together to make the heist happen. There are moments you wish they breathed a little more into the characters’ relationships with each other (a scene with Awkwafina teaching Mindy Kaling Tinder comes to mind), but the point of an Ocean’s movie is getting the job done.
On a recent episode of NPR’s Pop Culture Happy Hour, co-host Glen Weldon noted how easy it was to laugh at the references in Deadpool 2, even though they weren’t actually jokes. I think the same part of your brain lights up when you figure out a plan in a heist movie. The idea of the heist being “good” or “realistic” doesn’t even play into it. You’re too busy being like, “AHHH LOOK WHAT THEY DID!” It’s like watching a Rube Goldberg machine—nothing matters except how satisfying it is when it comes to an end. And it’s really satisfying!
One of the best parts of the movie came just after, when I walked out and realized...there was no love story. Ocean’s Eleven was all about Clooney winning back Julia Roberts, as if she were property that could be easily impressed and reclaimed instead of a human woman who left Danny Ocean for a reason. (I mean, the movie wrote her as the former, but a girl can dream.) Here, there’s only a glimmer of a love interest—existing enough to act against but not enough to become emotionally invested in. He’s not a source of drama or yearning. He’s a tool.
If you liked Ocean’s Eleven, you’ll like Ocean’s 8. It’s got the glamorous setting, the quips, the moment where you figure everything else out, an Ocean in a tuxedo with an undone bow tie. Does it matter that the team is all women? I think so. Not in that you learn that women are capable of pulling off a heist—like Ocean’s Eleven, the film is in no way realistic—but that women are the center of such a distinctly masculine genre. And while Ocean’s Eleven doesn’t make any mention of the team being all men, Ocean’s 8 explicitly notes that their plan requires it to be all women. Their womanhood is not only acknowledged but necessary. Growing up, I knew plenty of girls who wanted to emulate Brad Pitt, not in gender necessarily but in attitude. Maybe after Ocean's 8, some boys will want to emulate Cate Blanchett.
https://www.gq.com/story/oceans-8-reviewBut How Gay is ‘Ocean’s 8’?
By: Kevin O'Keeffe
08 Jun 2018
In “But How Gay Is It?”, we seek to answer the biggest questions you have about a new movie release in theaters now — including, most crucially, the titular question. Does the movie have any queer characters? Are there stories involving same-sex lovers? Which gay icons star in the film? We’re bringing you all that and more.
What is Ocean’s 8? If you’ve somehow missed all news about the gender-swapped heist caper starring some of our finest actresses, I bow my head in admiration. You missed out on some great Twitter freakouts, but you also probably avoided, you know, the general hellscape that is life online in 2018.
Anyway, Ocean’s 8 is the latest iteration in the Ocean’s remake franchise. Danny Ocean (George Clooney in the previous films) is dead, and his sister Debbie is just now getting out of prison for a crime her former lover framed her for. Partially in his memory, partially because she has no money, and partially because she’s addicted to heisting, she plans a job robbing the Met Gala of one very expensive Cartier necklace off the neck of one very famous actress. The rest of the movie splits cleanly into three acts: planning the heist, executing the heist, and the aftermath.
Who’s in it? Sandra Bullock is this film’s titular Ocean, while Cate Blanchett plays her right-hand woman Lou. The rest of the squad is filled out with some of the finest stars of their fields: Mindy Kaling as jewelry maker Amita, Sarah Paulson as fence finder-turned-suburban housewife Tammy, Awkwafina as über-talented pickpocket Constance, Rihanna as quiet-but-deadly hacker Nine-Ball, and Helena Bonham Carter as washed-up fashion designer Rose Weil. The last of the eight is Daphne Kluger herself, played to comic perfection by Anne Hathaway.
Why should I see it? It’s a delight! Look, I’ve mentioned before how I’m not fond of heist as a genre, how it feels so unmoored from any particular tone. That problem is definitely present here — Ocean’s 8 isn’t funny enough to be a comedy, or serious enough to be a drama. But what it absolutely is is fun. The women face almost no real obstacles to pulling off their job, the banter is breezy and light, and you’ll walk out satisfied you saw it. It’s not reinventing the wheel by any measure, and director Gary Ross is no original-trilogy director Steven Soderbergh, but it’s a good time at the cinema.
But how gay is it? Outside of the presence of some major gay icons here (including the Carol reunion of Paulson and Blanchett), and the actual casting of a queer woman (Paulson!), the content of the film itself is disappointingly straight. There are definitely some flirty vibes between Debbie and Tammy, and Debbie and Lou talk about their relationship like they’re married (Debbie at one point describes going through a “rough patch” with Lou). But the only explicit relationship we see is between Debbie and art dealer Claude Becker (Richard Armitage).
There was a lot of expectation online about the queerness of this film, considering Blanchett’s heralded status among queer women and a scene of flirty banter between her and Debbie that was photographed early on. I’d imagine many will be disappointed that none of the characters are canonically gay. That said, there are definite notes of sexual tension — just enough to keep you on your toes, I’d say.
Is Daphne just one of the eight because she’s one of the stars, or is she part of the heist? She’s the target of the heist, and anything more would be a spoiler. Just know that, like Hathaway herself, there is far more than meets the eye to Daphne.
Is releasing this film the same weekend as Los Angeles Pride gay rights? You bet it is. If you’re looking for an alternate Pride plan, you can’t go wrong with Ocean’s 8. It may not be explicitly gay, but it’ll certainly make you gay-gasp.
https://intomore.com/culture/but-how-gay-is-oceans-8Ocean’s 8: The Agony and Ecstasy of All That Unresolved Sexual Tension
As gratifying as the film’s ending was, let’s be honest: it should have been gayer.
Laura Bradley
June 8, 2018 12:00 PM
This post contains spoilers for Ocean’s 8.
To watch Ocean’s 8 is to indulge in a distinctly ephemeral form of joy; even if the thrill begins to fade from memory after an hour or two, that doesn’t make the experience any less pleasant. The heist at the center of the movie goes off without a hitch; in the end, our scammer heroes walk away with all the riches they came for and then some. There’s only one thing that conclusion is missing: a frank acknowledgment of the obvious, vexingly unexplored sexual tension between Sandra Bullock’s Debbie Ocean and her best friend—“friend”?—Lou (Cate Blanchett).
Look, far be it for me—for any of us, really—to complain about a romp that gave us Cate Blanchett in so many fabulous suits. But from beginning to end, Ocean’s 8 seemed to consciously imply that there was more to Lou and Debbie’s relationship than meets the eye. There are tantalizing bits of dialogue, like when Debbie calls Lou, as she often does, her “partner”—and Lou replies, “I’m not your partner—yet.” At another point, Lou teases Debbie, asking, “Oh, honey, is this a proposal?” Debbie’s reply? “Baby, I don’t even have a diamond yet.” Did the two exchange a knowing look when Lou met Debbie wearing her share of the heist’s haul around her neck, or was that just me? Come to think of it, those two seem to exchange a lot of looks. Also, there’s that moment when they feed each other!
But as I drank in every furtive glance and whisper of backstory like a fine wine, I was left mostly with questions. How did these two meet? Did they even actually have a thing? Is that why Lou is both protective of Debbie and impatient about any conversation involving her ex? Although Ocean’s 8 clearly wants its viewers to catch the fascinating dynamic between these two—the implications are simply too obvious for even the straightest person alive to believe they were inserted into the movie by accident—it also makes no effort to clarify their history. And, it’s worth repeating, there’s clearly history.
That history is also a lot more interesting than the bit of romantic backstory we do get in the movie. Like Ocean’s 11 before it, which revealed that Danny Ocean’s big heist was really a ploy to punish the casino owner who was dating his ex-wife, Tess (Julia Roberts), Ocean’s 8 is also something of a revenge story. Debbie, too, has an ex; his name is Claude, he’s played by Richard Armitage, and he’s the reason Debbie got sent to prison in the first place. But unlike Ocean’s 11, which spent a decent amount of screen time putting Clooney and Roberts’s compelling and playful chemistry on display, Ocean’s 8 can’t seem to decide what it wants to do with Claude. More than anything, he feels like a testosterone-filled waste of space; if it had nixed him altogether, the film wouldn’t feel any less complete. Plus, if it had, it might have had more time to focus on Debbie and Lou.
Its ending is, perhaps, the film’s most vexing move of all. After Debbie and her crew inevitably succeed in their mission, robbing the Metropolitan Museum of several pieces of gigantic, borderline-priceless jewelry, the film offers us a glimpse at how each woman spends her share of the money. Rihanna’s pot-smoking hacker character, Nine Ball, buys a bar and names it after herself. Scene stealer Anne Hathaway’s narcissistic actress character gets to direct her own movies now. And then there’s Lou, who mounts her motorcycle and rides off into the sunset, looking almost like one of the leads in the classic Black Mirror episode “San Junipero”—a beautifully told love story about two women that ended with Mackenzie Davis’s character, Yorkie, driving off into the sunset in a convertible with the love of her life, Kelly (Gugu Mbatha-Raw).
But when Lou was riding away, where was her Kelly? Well, instead of hopping on the back of Lou’s hog, Debbie was, sigh, visiting her brother—the now deceased Danny Ocean (George Clooney)—at his grave site. Where’s Debbie’s director’s chair, her bar, her grand ride off into the future—with Lou by her side? Even a coy “will they, won’t they” conclusion would have been more satisfying than a quiet murmur to a brother who never even made a live cameo in the movie. (Because he might not actually be dead, right? Just watch him show up in Ocean’s 9.)
Perhaps it’s asking too much to wish for an ending that makes explicit what was already heavily implied—and perhaps pairing Lou and Debbie would even have felt pat. And yet, like a queer Carrie Bradshaw, I couldn’t help but wonder what could have been. Maybe that’s waiting for us in Ocean’s 9, too.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/06/oceans-8-sandra-bullock-cate-blanchett-gay-characters-lovers/amp?__twitter_impression=true‘Ocean’s 8’ Is the Female-Forward Movie You’ve Been Waiting For
The cast rocks and the heist is a blast. This movie's just plain cool.
by Tyler Daswick June 8, 2018 4 minute read
Ocean’s 8 is strapped with a cultural moment. It’s a female-driven movie in a period starved for them, and what’s more, it’s entering the frattiest, dude-heavy franchise in Hollywood. With that context, it would be wrong to ignore the “importance” of Ocean’s 8, but watching the movie, you almost forget that importance. This movie is effortless. It’s slick, cool and a total blast. It doesn’t shoulder its moment like a burden, it flaunts it like a cape.
The Ocean’s franchise is a collection of heist movies. In the past, they’ve featured George Clooney cracking wise, Matt Damon doing his wonderful little half-grin and Brad Pitt eating lots of fast food and talking with his mouth full. They’re awesome. Ocean’s 8 is less a sequel to these movies and more of a spinoff, but it owes nothing to the flicks that came before, and hesitates to give them the barest nod. Sure, the heist formula is here, from assembling the crew to mapping out the plan to the final “here’s what you didn’t see” reveal, but these women take ownership over that process from start to finish.
And wow, what a cast. Sandra Bullock and Cate Blanchett are your two masterminds (the former exudes savvy, and the latter has never, ever been cooler—Blanchett’s physical here, and her walk and posture and mannerisms are wholly magnetic), but they’re joined by a witty Mindy Kaling, a steady Sarah Paulson, a hilarious Awkwafina, a Rihanna who blessedly doesn’t try to do too much and a Helena Bonham-Carter who blessedly tries to do everything. Oh, and they’re all out to steal some diamonds from Anne Hathaway, who leans all the way into her undefinable hateability to deliver a truly cackle-worthy performance. There’s no weak link here.
Given its timing with the women’s movement in Hollywood, and given its unfair alignment with past female-centric efforts like the recent Ghostbusters reboot, you might expect Ocean’s 8 to be explicit about its femininity, but the best thing about it is that it’s really not, and that colors the whole event with a graceful lack of concession. There’s nothing here that hammers you over the head with “remember we’re the women’s movie” messaging. It’s just easy about it. In one conversation, Blanchett asks Bullock if she wants to rope a male colleague into the heist. Bullock says no. Why not? Bullock shrugs. It’s a he.
In place of that explicitness, Ocean’s 8 holds an implicit ease that translates on screen into something superbly confident. This movie just swaggers around. The actors strut from scene to scene, often to the tune of the movie’s banging, unabashed soundtrack, and they spit lines that make you grin like an accomplice. We’re doing this. It’s inclusive but not preachy about it. It’s celebratory, but not exaggerated about it. It’s fun, but it’s not trying too hard to be fun. This isn’t a basement party for the freshmen. It’s an afternoon backyard rager for the seniors.
What’s better, all that ease fits inside a framework that’s completely natural for these characters. The main heist in Ocean’s 8 involves the MET Gala, an annual high point in fashion and celebrity. This might be traditional to say, but the MET Gala is something you would definitely consider to be more women-focused, so using it as a centerpiece in this movie feels strategic, but also a total no-brainer. This is a heist these women are well-suited—make that best-suited—to pull off. The Ocean’s guys would never touch the MET Gala. It’s not their lane. Here, it’s the perfect crime.
And sure, Ocean’s 8 hiccups a bit. There’s a weird sort of fourth act in which James Corden crashes the party and spoils the vibe, and the overall scheme is maybe a bit less elaborate than what other Ocean’s movies have conditioned us to hope for (this job doesn’t lead to a giant set piece, though it does stitch together a tight, clever relay race between all the thieves’ various skill sets), but those qualms aren’t enough to diminish the sheer amount of satisfaction this movie has to offer. It’s just a great night out and money well spent, and it’s significant, too, that it doesn’t try—or need—to be anything more than that.
Ocean’s 8 doesn’t draw attention to its casting or its implications, and that’s to its enormous credit. We’ve seen female-centered movies make bold, declarative statements from inside themselves—Wonder Woman’s battle scene across No Man’s Land is the most memorable—but that sort of scene makes sense for a movie like Wonder Woman (she already was an icon of the times, after all) and less so for Ocean’s 8.
This movie didn’t need to be boldly feminist or overtly progressive; it already is those things without making a big show of it. That low-key vibe, for lack of a better word, means Ocean’s 8 sets a precedence for future movies of its nature to take a similar approach. Female-driven movies can just be movies. They can come with popcorn, and they don’t need an Oscar campaign to matter. Ocean’s 8 is a fun summer movie and its eight most important actors are women. That’s the whole story, and that story slays.
https://relevantmagazine.com/culture/film/oceans-8-is-the-female-forward-movie-youve-been-waiting-for/Ocean's 8
“Cate Blanchett’s Lou blatantly telegraphs as queer. Unfortunately, it’s never made explicit.”
Title: Ocean’s 8
Director: Gary Ross
Writers: Gary Ross
Reviewed by Li
Technical: 3.75/5
The premise of Ocean’s 8 reads like a Twitter campaign gone viral: Rihanna, Awkwafina, Mindy Kaling, Cate Blanchett, Helena Bonham Carter, Sandra Bullock, Anne Hathaway, and Sarah Paulson get together in a snazzy heist movie and rob the Met Gala blind. Naturally, their formidable star power is on show, as every actor enjoys if not equal screentime, then at least equally endearing characters. The actors’ performances buoy this otherwise derivative plot, and director Gary Ross knows how to milk it. Case in point: when the camera slowly panned up the fire-engine-red gown of Rihanna, the entire movie theater gave a collective gasp at how commanding she looked.
The film also plays up its unique positioning as a female ensemble within the almost exclusively male heist genre. This pent up demand, of seeing women in a stylish caper as more than just tits on legs, is given due respect as men are finally nudged—if just barely—off center. Instead, we follow the cool lead of Deb (Sandra Bullock) as she guides her delightful band of ultra-smart weirdos to mass riches.
Still, Ocean’s 8 isn’t by any stretch a “great movie”. The pacing stutters to a near-halt after its first act, relying on the chemistry and charm of its cast to stumble to the finish line (which it does, thanks to the talented women who carry it off). But when you’re treated to slick editing, a mischievous soundtrack, and way more laughs than you may have anticipated, what’s not to like?
Gender: 5/5
Does it pass the Bechdel Test? YES
GradeMyMovie.com Assessment: 42% of key cast and crew members were women.
I would have preferred a female director to helm the stories of eight powerful actresses, but Ross has a solid track record on scripting strong women. He wrote and directed the first Hunger Games chapter (released in 2012), and Pleasantville (1998) remains subversive, featuring a sex-positive Reese Witherspoon within the film’s larger takedown of rose-tinted nostalgia.
Ross’ writing partner, Olivia Milch, adds a welcome addition to the behind-camera talent, even if GradeMyMovie.com still knocks the film for not reaching parity in its its tally of director(s), writer(s), producer(s), and the first three actors listed on IMDB. Related or not, the onscreen depiction of gender isn’t quite perfect either. Manohla Dargis examines this in The New York Times, saying:
“[Ocean’s 8] includes an irritating subplot involving a very bad former lover. It’s needless narrative filler; worse, it dilutes the purity of the women’s work, their screen mission as it were.”
Luckily, the sheer force of having an all-women ensemble carries enough oomph to garner this category a 5/5. The inclusion of Deb’s ex-boyfriend does feel like a subconscious attempt to tug the film’s center back towards a male narrative, and Hathaway as the rich, It-girl Daphne does devolve into some generic honeypotting. But overall, I’ll overlook these quibbles in favor of the sheer breadth of space afforded women, with men firmly in supporting roles.
In the meantime, I await the day that female ensembles land in theaters without having to be reboots or “gender role-reversals”—and I’m definitely waiting for male critics to stop condescending to these films by billing them as “playing to the Bad Moms/Girls Trip/Bridesmaids crowd.” (None of the trailers that came packaged with the screening were remotely targeted to women, and the theater audience on a Saturday afternoon was easily split between men and women.) In the same Forbes article, Scott Mendelson even goes on to deign that “not only are women not box office poison, there is enough of an audience to justify more than one flick aimed at adult women per season.” Lucky us, I guess?
Race: 3.25/5
GradeMyMovie.com Assessment: 8% of key cast and crew members were POC.
Women of color are thankfully included, but they aren’t given the meatier roles. Those are handed to Deb, the main character and mastermind of the heist, or to Daphne as the lone soul to oversee any character development.
That said, I was genuinely impressed with how fresh each performance felt, even if they were generally flat with no backstories. It would have been easy to devolve into caricatures, but perhaps due to the talent level of those involved, each team member neatly side-steps cliché. A common pitfall of large, majority-white casts with few people of color (POC) is that white characters get to be defined by personality tics while POC are forced into cultural embodiments. We do see a bit of that with Amita, played by Mindy Kaling, whose mother just wants her to get married like her perfect sister (shown framed on the wall, beaming in her wedding saree). But more than that, Amita is a naive everywoman, starstruck by the attendees of the Met Gala, and a little in over her head but happy to follow the trail of multimillion-dollar diamonds.
Similarly, Constance—played by rapper Awkwafina, whose father is Chinese-American and mother is South Korean—is first introduced as a card shark in Chinatown. But her comedic timing, teenage slouch, and compulsive pickpocketing laughs in the face of the model minority myth that’s all too often assigned to East Asians.
Finally, I’ve seen grumbles on Twitter saying that Rihanna was underused in this film. But every actor besides Bullock and Hathaway is underused. There is way too much firepower in this cast for one mere movie to contain, but that doesn’t mean it needs to be a bad thing. In fact, the light footprint of the supporting actors just translates into the sense that each star is having fun with their respective cameos. In Rihanna’s case, she plays Nine Ball, a genius-level hacker with an equally talented younger sister. Not only does she break stereotype by being a tech nerd with dreadlocks, smoking an ever-present blunt, it’s doubly subversive as Ross and Rihanna embrace her Caribbean-inspired, 90s grunge look as if to say that intelligence has nothing to do with the way you look or dress. In an interview with IndieWire, Ross confirms the inclusive process of writing the characters:
“We both love Bob Marley, and I mentioned dreadlocks and [Rihanna] jumped up and down. Then we decided on a green army jacket draped over her. This is just different than Rihanna gets to be in most her public appearances, and she really loved all that.”
LGBTQ: +0.00
Cate Blanchett as club owner Lou blatantly telegraphs as queer. Unfortunately, it’s never made explicit. But the tells are plentiful, as Laura Bradley points out the most obvious ones:
“Debbie calls Lou, as she often does, her ‘partner’—and Lou replies, ‘I’m not your partner—yet.’ At another point, Lou teases Debbie, asking, ‘Oh, honey, is this a proposal?’ Debbie’s reply? ‘Baby, I don’t even have a diamond yet.’...Also, there’s that moment when they feed each other!”
Meanwhile, clothing has long been a major platform for queer subtext. Jill Gutowitz gives us her thoughts (alongside a hot-like-burning listicle of Blanchett’s outfits), saying:
“Like all queer women, I’m constantly disappointed by movies that don’t explicitly define obviously queer characters...With that being said, I am always happy to see any sort of representation for tomboyish women who straddle the line between the masculine and feminine.”
Mediaversity Grade: B 4.00/5
Ocean’s 8 celebrates women, the camera (mostly) avoids a male gaze, and its women of color are joyously sketched, even if they aren’t the drivers of the plot. But above all, this is not a film you should overthink. Just go and support women by seeing it in theaters. You’ll have an fantastic time, the comedic beats will surprise you with their effectiveness, and by the time the credits roll you’ll probably already be hankering for news about a sequel.
Although, hey, if Warner Bros. decides to forgo an “Ocean’s 9” and Netflix fills the void with the rumored Rihanna and Lupita Nyong’o’s buddy heist film, you won’t hear me complaining.
https://www.mediaversityreviews.com/film-reviews/2018/6/10/oceans-8