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Die zwei lumpigen Sterne vom Telegraph kann ich unter Garantie nicht nachvollziehen. :gaah: Ich werde darauf zurückkommen, sobald ich TBotFA selbst gesehen habe. 8) Alles andere an Reviews geht vorerst vollkommen in Ordnung, finde ich.

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Review von Demosthenes von TOR:
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Das würde dann aber meine schlimmsten Befürchtungen bestätigen :nooo: :nooo: :nooo: :
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"Thorin, Kili, Fili and Dwalin race up the mountain to hunt down the pale orc. It is around this time that Legolas and Tauriel pop back into the main storyline and regrettably steal center stage. My greatest fears for the film came true. Less would have been much more with these characters. Instead our two hero elves race to Ravenhill, perhaps wanting to make sure Thorin and Co. don’t get too much screen time.

The filmmakers seem convinced that Legolas should be the star of this film. All good will I had immediately dried up the moment Legolas grabs onto the foot of a bat and fetches a ride up the mountain, in a sequence that seems straight out of King Kong. Rather than break down the entire sequence, I will say that the emotional impact of the events of Ravenhill is greatly diminished by the constant interference and intercutting with the action of Legolas and Tauriel.


Legolas dispatches Bolg in what must be the most over the top, gravity defying, absurdly overdone action sequence in any Middle Earth (or Peter Jackson) film yet. Apparently the laws of gravity hold no affect on the nimble feet of the Woodland prince. It’s the stuff of nightmares for anyone who has had issues with Legolas’ stunts in the previous films.

The finale of the battle leads to one cruel and unfortunate realization, that Beorn has been all but cut from the film. He arrives atop one of the eagles Radagast rides in on. His very brief 15-30 second cameo, involves him plunging to the ground, transforming into a bear mid-flight and dispatching a few orcs on the ground before disappearing from the film entirely much like Dain and Radagast. Equally disappointing is the focus on the elves post-battle.

We get one utterly absurd sequence in which Thranduil plays the role of Nick Fury and instructs Legolas to track down a young ranger in the north, known as “Strider.” It’s a bizarrely out of place scene that seems like a horrible misuse of valuable screen time.

Tauriel also gets a drawn out mourning sequence with Kili that seems like an overdone capper to what has been an underdeveloped and unconvincing love story. There are no funerals, no coronations, and hardly any goodbyes with our beloved dwarves. "

Es geht doch um die Quest der Dwarves- und nicht um spaghetti-haired, action-hero elves on speed :gaah: :flenn:!


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Review von Demosthenes von TOR:
Ich stelle nur den Link rein, da Massive Spoiler!!!
http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2014/12 ... he-finish/

Das würde dann aber meine schlimmsten Befürchtungen bestätigen :nooo: :nooo: :nooo: :
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"Thorin, Kili, Fili and Dwalin race up the mountain to hunt down the pale orc. It is around this time that Legolas and Tauriel pop back into the main storyline and regrettably steal center stage. My greatest fears for the film came true. Less would have been much more with these characters. Instead our two hero elves race to Ravenhill, perhaps wanting to make sure Thorin and Co. don’t get too much screen time.

The filmmakers seem convinced that Legolas should be the star of this film. All good will I had immediately dried up the moment Legolas grabs onto the foot of a bat and fetches a ride up the mountain, in a sequence that seems straight out of King Kong. Rather than break down the entire sequence, I will say that the emotional impact of the events of Ravenhill is greatly diminished by the constant interference and intercutting with the action of Legolas and Tauriel.


Legolas dispatches Bolg in what must be the most over the top, gravity defying, absurdly overdone action sequence in any Middle Earth (or Peter Jackson) film yet. Apparently the laws of gravity hold no affect on the nimble feet of the Woodland prince. It’s the stuff of nightmares for anyone who has had issues with Legolas’ stunts in the previous films.

The finale of the battle leads to one cruel and unfortunate realization, that Beorn has been all but cut from the film. He arrives atop one of the eagles Radagast rides in on. His very brief 15-30 second cameo, involves him plunging to the ground, transforming into a bear mid-flight and dispatching a few orcs on the ground before disappearing from the film entirely much like Dain and Radagast. Equally disappointing is the focus on the elves post-battle.

We get one utterly absurd sequence in which Thranduil plays the role of Nick Fury and instructs Legolas to track down a young ranger in the north, known as “Strider.” It’s a bizarrely out of place scene that seems like a horrible misuse of valuable screen time.

Tauriel also gets a drawn out mourning sequence with Kili that seems like an overdone capper to what has been an underdeveloped and unconvincing love story. There are no funerals, no coronations, and hardly any goodbyes with our beloved dwarves. "

Es geht doch um die Quest der Dwarves- und nicht um spaghetti-haired, action-hero elves on speed :gaah: :flenn:!

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Ich bin auch ganz :shock: ! Ich will wenigstens einen würdigen Abschied für Thorin, ein Begräbnis, wie es einem König gebührt :bibber: :flenn: . Das kann doch nicht von surfenden, mit Fledermäusen fliegenden Elben überlagert werden :flenn:!! Der Fokus gehört doch auf die Zwerge!!


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Vielleicht ist Action wichtiger? :nix: Ich hoffe wirklich auf ein würdiges Ende, es ist doch schon schlimm genug, dass Elben offenbar wichtiger sind als Zwerge. :(

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Ich hatte schon bei der elbenlastigen Promo so meine Befürchtungen. Ein bisschen Action lasse ich mir ja auch eingehen, aber dieses Ende der Trilogie ist doch tragisch- und sollte nicht von Klamauk überlagert werden. Surferboy-Legolas, der sämtliche Schwerkraft außer Kraft setzt :roll: . Der Fokus gehört außerdem wirklich auf die Geschichte der Zwerge. Ich wünsche mir eine schöne " Abschiedsszene zwischen Thorin und Bilbo, der auch angemessene Screentime gegönnt wird. Die Tauriel/ Kili- Liebesgeschichte ist mir wurscht, die brauche ich wirklich nicht :flenn: ! Ich hoffe, es ist doch nicht so extrem, wie der Reviewer es schildert! Ich brauche wirklich Zeit, um von Thorin Abschied zu nehmen- das wird schon schlimm genug :flenn: :flenn: :flenn: !


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Ui... da kullern jetzt schon die Tränen obwohl noch keine von uns den Film gesehen hat. :sigh2:
Vielleicht sollten wir einfach abwarten und uns dann ein Urteil bilden, wenn wir den Film gesehen haben? PJ hat außerdem noch 30 Minuten Zusatzszenen für die SEE versprochen, die dann die Kinoversionen nochmal bereichern.

Ich freue mich schon auf den Film, egal was die Reviews sagen... es fasst ja doch jeder alles anders auf. :nix:

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Klar, ich hoffe, wie gesagt, dass der Reviewer übertrieben hat, aber ich vertraue eigentlich den Leuten von TOR net wesentlich mehr, als den sonstigen Presseleuten, die nicht mit Herzblut dabei sind.


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Die Leute bei TORn schätzen das sicher gut ein, aber man darf auch nicht vergessen, dass sie nicht einfach nur Filmfans sind, sondern in erster Linie Fans des Buches als Original. Da ist es doch klar, dass es im Film Dinge geben wird, die ihnen nicht gefallen. :nix:

Was ich damit sagen will ist, dass es quasi schon vorprogrammiert war, dass sie einige Klumpfüße am Film finden, das war auch bei den anderen Filmen schon so. Letzten Endes erlebt aber trotzdem jeder Mensch den Film anders.
Wenn man schon mit solchen Vorahnungen und Gedanken in den Film geht, kann man ihn nicht mehr uneingeschränkt auf sich wirken lassen. Das ist zumindest mein Eindruck.

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Film review: 'The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies'

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This is the way "The Hobbit" ends: not with a whimper, but with an epic battle royale. True to its subtitle, "The Battle of the Five Armies" (revised from the initially more pacific "There and Back Again"), the final installment of Peter Jackson's distended "Lord of the Rings" prequel offers more barbarians at the gate than you can shake an Elven sword at, each vying for control of mountainous Erebor. The result is at once the trilogy's most engrossing episode, its most expeditious (at a comparatively lean 144 minutes) and also its darkest -- both visually and in terms of the forces that stir in the hearts of men, dwarves and orcs alike. Only fans need apply, but judging from past precedent, there are more than enough of them to ensure that "Battle" walks off with the dragon's share of the upcoming holiday-season box office.

"Third time pays for all," the hobbit Bilbo Baggins (Martin Freeman) is fond of saying in Tolkien's novel, and much the same might be said of the "Hobbit" films themselves. After getting things off to a sluggish start with 2012's "An Unexpected Journey" (complete with an interminable dinner-party sequence that was like a Middle-earth "Exterminating Angel"), Jackson quickened the pace considerably for last year's "The Desolation of Smaug," which built to a breathless, "Empire Strikes Back"-style cliffhanger, only with fire substituted for ice. Having finally arrived at their usurped ancestral kingdom, our band of intrepid dwarf warriors (plus one weary hobbit) found themselves face-to-face with the gold-hoarding dragon Smaug. Crankily stirred from his slumber, the great beast in turn winged off into the night to obliterate the (mostly) innocent human denizens of nearby Lake-town, punishment for helping Bilbo and company to reach his door.

"The Battle of the Five Armies" picks up exactly there, with Smaug swooping down in a blaze of fiery vengeance, while the panicked Lake-town locals disperse in various displays of cowardice and courage. It's an exciting sequence, animated by a real sense of danger and by the nightmare figure of Smaug himself (one of the movie's most special effects, again voiced by Benedict Cumberbatch), who exudes a kind of grotesque majesty even as he flaps his great wings for the last time and falls thunderously to his death. But the joy brought by the vanquishing of the dragon proves short-lived, as something far more sinister -- namely, politics -- soon rears its hydra-like head.

As has held true for promised lands of all sorts since time immemorial (and continues to do so), Erebor in the post-Smaug era becomes a contentious destination for various tribes who hold some real or imagined claim to the mountain and its vast store of riches, including large contingents of Iron Hills dwarves (under the command of Billy Connolly's Gen. Dain Underfoot), Woodland elves (led by Lee Pace's Thranduil) and the displaced masses of Lake-town itself, reluctantly corralled by the dragon-slaying boat captain Bard (Luke Evans). It doesn't help matters that the dwarf prince Thorin Oakenshield (Richard Armitage), presumptive heir to Erebor's throne, is not long inside these hallowed walls when he succumbs to a familiar Tolkeinian malady -- a lust for gold and jewels that renders its victims void of reason or empathy. And if "The Battle of the Five Armies" feels psychologically weightier than the previous "Hobbit" films, that's largely a credit to Armitage, who plays Thorin with the paranoid despotic rage of a Shakespearean king, his heavy-lidded eyes ablaze with a private madness.

Even fair Bilbo, so skilled in negotiating with ruthless opponents like Gollum and Smaug, finds himself unable to speak truth to power, and thus spends much of "The Battle of the Five Armies" watching from the sidelines, a supporting character in his own eponymous narrative. But then, the battle's the thing this time, and when Jackson gets to the nearly hourlong setpiece (commencing around the 70-minute mark), he stages it grandly even by his own Wagnerian standards. From all corners of the land -- and the frame -- they come: dwarves, elves, men and assorted forest creatures, initially at cross-purposes, but soon enough united against not one but two flanks of hideous, bulbous orcs on a mission from their god, the dark lord Sauron, who's been hankering for a comeback.

This sort of scene, drawing on every available trick in the CGI paintbox, has become such a reliable staple of Jackson's work (to say nothing of the many lesser films of the past decade that have worn his influence on their sleeves) as to risk seeming almost ordinary. But Jackson, who's surely aware of this conundrum, invests his five-army rumble with such a visceral feeling for landscape and physical action, a sure eye for elaborate battlefield choreography and, above all, a sense of purpose, that he leaves most of the competition -- including some of his own previous battle sequences -- seeming like so much digital white noise. Like George Lucas before him, Jackson has unmistakably brushed up on his Kurosawa, and there is at least one image here -- of elf warriors leaping over the backs of dwarves and into a head-on orc charge -- that could pass as an outtake from "Ran." Better still: a mano a mano dwarf-vs.-orc duel atop a frozen waterfall that is, shot for shot, one of Jackson's very best things.

Intermittently, "The Battle of the Five Armies" takes time out to catch us up on the whereabouts of old Gandalf (Ian McKellen, with his usual hammy gusto), the star-crossed interspecies romance of Amazonian elf Tauriel (Evangeline Lilly) and lovestruck dwarf Kili (Aidan Turner), plus flashy cameos for the ethereal Galadriel (Cate Blanchett) and the white wizard Saruman (Christopher Lee, still spry and swashbuckling in his early 90s). On balance, though, this is the least episodic and digressive of the "Hobbit" films, and the one that shows the least evidence of the elaborate patchwork Jackson and his co-screenwriters have done (to disparate bits of Tolkein's writing plus no small amount of their own invention) in order to transform the slender "Hobbit" narrative into something that might rival "Lord of the Rings" for sheer breadth and depth.

While that effort has ultimately proved only partly successful, it's easier now to see the entire "Hobbit" project as a labor of love on Jackson's part, rather than a descent into crass box-office opportunism. Where the first two films often felt like a marking of time by a director intent on fattening his own Smaug-like coffers, "The Battle of the Five Armies" contains a series of emotional payoffs and bridges to the "Lord of the Rings" films that work as well as they do for having been carefully seeded by Jackson in the previous episodes. And if none of the "Hobbit" films resonate with "Rings'" mythic grandeur, it's hard not to marvel at Jackson's facility with these characters and this world, which he seems to know as well as John Ford knew his Monument Valley, and to which he here bids an elegiac adieu. Indeed, it is not only Bilbo but Jackson too who returns to the safety of his Hobbit hole, weary and winded, with a quizzical grimace on his face that seems to say: "Where do I go from here?"

Set in a bleak midwinter, with nary a patch of Shire green to be seen until the closing frames, "Battle" sports the most austere and forbidding look of the "Hobbit" films (courtesy of series lenser Andrew Lesnie), entirely absent the overly bright, backlot feel that pervaded "An Unexpected Journey" and parts of "Smaug." Howard Shore contributes another dynamically ranging (and ever present) score, from gentle Celtic melodies to speaker-rattling basso profondo bombast. Other tech contributions, repping at least five armies' worth of set designers, costumers, armorers and VFX artists, once again give us the best that Hollywood (and New Zealand tax incentive) dollars can bu


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Eight reasons why the Hobbit trilogy is worse than The Lord of the Rings trilogy
We've measured up Peter Jackson's two epic series - and there is a clear winner...

Eight reasons why the Hobbit trilogy is worse than The Lord of the Rings trilogy
By Huw Fullerton
Wednesday 3 December 2014 at 10:17AM
The final film in The Hobbit trilogy is finally here – well, here-ish (it had its world premiere last night but goes on general release on the 12th December). But now that all three films can be held up against the original award-winning Lord of the Rings trilogy, how do they compare? Can the new trilogy measure up to the old? Well, no – and here’s why.
It’s too long
This is kind of an obvious one – the original Hobbit novel is shorter than any one of The Lord of The Rings books , but while each of those had to be cut down in order to make it work as a film (thus losing a bit of flab), The Hobbit has dragged out material, invented new stuff and basically stretched its premise too thin.
It’s not as interesting a story

The Lord of the Rings books are an epic high-fantasy tale of a struggle against tyranny – whereas The Hobbit is a children’s book about 13 guys going on a jolly quest to find some gold. The attempts of the new films to justify turning the Hobbit into a darker film (sort of implying the dwarves are part of a larger diaspora that also includes Gandalf seeking out Sauron and some orcs doing something or other) feel false – The Hobbit is a good story on its own, and all you do by including dark foreboding is make it a poorer adaptation of the source material.
They’re weirdly structured

While the Lord of the Rings films stick roughly to their corresponding books, the Hobbit trilogy is all over the place. For example, the latest film starts where the last began – which means we see the aftermath of Benedict Cumberbatch’s Smaug heading off to attack Lake Town, which feels more like a finale and correspondingly makes a quieter middle chunk of the final film feel a little staid by comparison.
Too much CGI
Obviously there’s going to be a lot of computer effects in a fantasy film like this, but there seem to be significantly more in The Hobbit films than in Lord of the Rings. As a result it’s somehow subconsciously less convincing – the Star Wars prequels versus the originals (if that’s not too harsh a comparison).
CGI Orcs (which deserve their own section because they're so bad)

The generically evil orcs are now generically motion-captured and computer generated, instead of the men in prosthetics that they were in the Lord of the Rings films – and it’s an awful idea. They don’t look any better, they seem like less of a physical threat and are harder to take seriously. Also, they look completely different which is just confusing.
Unnecessary subplots
I don’t know about you, but the weirdly rushed story of how a hot dwarf (Aidan Turner) fell in deep irreversible love with a badass elf (Evangeline Lily) after meeting her for two minutes in a cave isn’t a big draw for me in the Hobbit films, and in the Battle for the Five Armies it’s particularly cringeworthy. In fairness Lord of the Rings had a similar love triangle in its plot, but that at least had some implied backstory.
There’s also a weird comic subplot in the latest film that involves James Gage dressing up as a woman with gold in his brassiere. It’s pretty unfunny, and yet gets more screentime than James Nesbitt. Injustice, thy name is Hobbit.
There are too many lingering shots of people looking intense

I’m not sure about this but I’m pretty sure I don’t remember the camera lovingly hovering over character’s faces for unsettling periods of time, but that’s a big part of The Hobbit series. I mean, if you’re looking to cut down a three-hour film there’s an easy saving right there.
It ends with a bit of an anticlimax
Without giving too much away, the last Hobbit film is mostly a big battle – but you might not even realise when that titulat skirmish has been won because it mostly happens offscreen while our heroes do some one-on-one battles. Famously, Lord of the Rings had multiple “endings”, but they were more satisfying.
Also, despite taking 3 films and going through a lot of trauma to reach the Dwarvish Kingdom of Erebor from his home in Hobbiton, Bilbo Baggins (Martin Freeman) manages to make the return journey in a seconds-long montage with no ill effects. Did they just forget to take a satnav the first time round?
But it’s not all bad…

In fairness, the series still has some great performances from the likes Martin Freeman, Richard Armitage and Ian McKellen, with Smaug (Benedict Cumberbatch) as good a villain as Lord of the Rings ever had with some brilliantly realized sequences (Smaug with Bilbo in the vaults, and an aerial attack scene from the latest film).
The Hobbit films are also incredibly technically proficient with a great aesthetic (though some of that magic has been lost since the original trilogy), and are an undeniably impressive feat of organization for any filmmaker, let alone one who had the weight of expectation on him like Peter Jackson did.
In fact, The Hobbit isn’t a bad series of films, and it has a lot of good qualities. It’s just that Lord of the Rings has those good qualities, and builds on them to create a much better trilogy that offers a lot more to the viewer and tells a better story. That’s why the Hobbit trilogy suffers in comparison.
Well, that and the big talking trees. The Hobbit films were definitely lacking in big talking trees compared to Lord of the Rings.

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